Posts by Sea Breeze

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Jesus paid it ALL for YOU

by JW Answers in

sadly, jehovah's witnesses depend on their religion to save them, and the bible does not point to religion as a saving point for salvation.. the video message below shows from the bible that for salvation, jesus paid it all for you.. are you saved?.

Sea Breeze

Yes, Jesus paid it all.

Not only that, but Romans 4: 4 says that the more you try to work for your salvation, the more sin debt you are accumulating that must be accounted for on Judgment Day.

Rom 4:3-5 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Why is that? It would be like someone giving you the winning lottery ticket that they knew was worth 1.3 billion dollars. Then you say, "that's great.... let me help you with the cost on that... here's a dollar".

Or, in other words famously spoken:

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me

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The Hubris of the Governing Body

by cofty in

it's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.

they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.

but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.

Sea Breeze

Cofty,

Messiah figures are common and Christians are not at all surprised. Jesus' warned that these Messiah figures would (1) assume his authority & (2) would be preaching that the time has come.

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

These two points perfectly fit the WT because (1) since the days of Russel they have been claiming to have Jesus' authority over all the earth (Christ's belongings) and (2) they have preached false dates saying the time draws near.

I have personally lived through two of these predictions, 1975 and the generation doctrine. But, there were several other dates before this.

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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?

by Sharpie in

shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.

as per doctrine.

is still alive in heaven right now correct?

Sea Breeze

However, before AF article, the Knowledge book brought that point out pointing out that after the ransom was paid, God had the legal grounds to bring Armageddon back then in the 1st Century. But he didn’t.

Fisherman,

The idea that God brings about Aramgeddon to kill mankind like roaches is a WT fiction. (All people already die) The antichrist seated on a horse with a bow in Revelation is the one bringing about calamity on the earth. (Jesus fights with a sword from his mouth as the Word of God.)

God does allow this after the church is evuacated. After all, a lot of people really do not want Jesus as King. So, during the GT God allows them a taste of what they claim that they want, freedom from himself and access to unrestrained evil.

I believe untold millions will have a change of heart during this time - they are commonly referred to as tribulation saints in Christian circles.

But, Church Age Christians will be long gone by this time. "God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" & "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord". 1 Thess.

Afterwards, Jesus shows up just in time to save Israel. The antichrist will be going beserk trying to destroy Israel. "Unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved".

Jesus is in the business of saving people, always has been.

It's all coming... just totally not the way the WT portrays.

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Jesus Never Limited His Promies to 144K

by Sea Breeze in

what were we thinking?

mat_10:32 whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will i confess also before my father which is in heaven.. mat_10:33 but whosoever shall deny me before men, him will i also deny before my father which is in heaven.. mat_12:50 for whosoever shall do the will of my father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.. mat_16:25 for whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.. mat_18:4 whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.. mar_10:15 verily i say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of god as a little child, he shall not enter therein.. luk 6:47,48 whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, i will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man .

which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock.

Sea Breeze

Exceptions are implied in "all" or "everyone"

Can you provide an exampe?

Thanks.

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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?

by Sharpie in

shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.

as per doctrine.

is still alive in heaven right now correct?

Sea Breeze

@Jerrro,

Most of the claims of being eyewitnesses of Jesus come from the ‘gospels’ (including Luke-Acts), all of which were anonymously written decades after the alleged events.

There are at least 5 lines of evidence that show very high probability that the earliest Christology is really the highest Christology. Using atheist scholars' own strict criteria, a person can be certain that the message of the death, burial, and resurrection was widely believed and preached upon prior to Paul leaving on his trip to Damascus (2-3 years after the cross)..... and probably just weeks or months afterward.

The "heresy" of this widespread high Christology that Paul kept hearing about was probably one of the main reasons he continued to hunt down Christians; he hated their message.

This video explains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMx1OikHC8U

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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?

by Sharpie in

shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.

as per doctrine.

is still alive in heaven right now correct?

Sea Breeze

A common fallacious argument offered by believers is that first century Christians wouldn't be willing to die for their beliefs

@Jeffro

Skeptics aren't suggesting that that the apostles and others died for their beliefs. They are asking Christians to believe that the apostles and others died for their lies, for something they KNEW to not be true; because they said they were eye-witnesses.

That is a whole 'nuther thing altogether.

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New GB

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

gage fleegle.

jeffrey winder.

anyone know them?

Sea Breeze

Who then is a faithful and wise servant...? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. - Mt. 24: 45

Let's not forget that these men believe (like Russell did) that they are specifically prophesied about in scripture. They took a rhetorical question from Jesus and his promise of ruling with him in heaven and apply it to the here and now... meaning that they alone are the channel that can save 8 Billion people.

That is what these men believe. They have a Messiah complex.

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Information Theory and the Demise of Darwinism

by Sea Breeze in

at a recent xjw conference, software engineer fred williams spoke on the subject of information that is found in nature.

it is a fascinating topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvpveyf5cic .

Sea Breeze

Cofty,

Why don't you come on Real Science Radio and explain your ideas? They have had lots of evolutionists on before. I can assure you that they have never had a former Jehovah's Witness elder turned evolutionist on their show before. You would be an instant celebrity. They would be very grateful.

You can do the whole thing by zoom. You already have the material in the video I posted in the OP. All you have to do is review that, collect your ideas and have a little chat about the whole thing. No need to get nasty. Adults can disagree. It is an important topic in our society. I think you would a least agree with that.

Would you agree to come on the show?

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Information Theory and the Demise of Darwinism

by Sea Breeze in

at a recent xjw conference, software engineer fred williams spoke on the subject of information that is found in nature.

it is a fascinating topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvpveyf5cic .

Sea Breeze

You use the same dishonest technique of misquoting and misleading.

Cofty,

You are engaging in the same kind of attacks as the people you quote like Graur. Are you going to take a picture of your baby granddaughter and claim she is flipping me off too?

I disagree with New Scientist' conclusion. The quote is real, properly notated and referenced. It is circular reasoning as I stated.

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Information Theory and the Demise of Darwinism

by Sea Breeze in

at a recent xjw conference, software engineer fred williams spoke on the subject of information that is found in nature.

it is a fascinating topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvpveyf5cic .

Sea Breeze

@Cofty

It looks like to me this guy is an extremist evolutionist and got his feathers ruffled when science didn't turn out the way he demanded. Author Jonathan Wells explains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAY8p9ZfEFs&t=220s